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General Category => Sims Discussion => Assetto Corsa => Topic started by: Guy on October 25, 2015, 02:33:47 pm


Title: After the Lotus series.....
Post by: Guy on October 25, 2015, 02:33:47 pm
It's a few months away but it's good to discuss it now.  What do we race after the Lotus series?

-AC or another sim?

-Tracks
      -format?

-Cars
      -modern?
      -historic?
      -single make or multi-car (single class)?



I like this format, I'd like to move on to pCars if everyone is on board, otherwise I'll stick with AC.  There are some good modded tracks coming out, we have a lot to pick from.  I want to use my clutch and shifter!  Let's pick a car that does not have flappy paddles or sequential, let's go back in time a few years.
     
Title: Re: After the Lotus series.....
Post by: Chad Brown on October 25, 2015, 02:54:28 pm
Well for me the choice is only between AC of rF2. I dont own PCars and have no intention of purchasing it. That's not to say that the group can't move to PCars, I simply won't be making the move. I also think we could probably run multiple sims anyways.

As far as the next car used; I have been having fun with the Eve and Spark in rF2 on Durge's server. The car is a handful but not overly difficult to drive. Maybe we take a classic series from that era and pick out 5 tracks run in their real life series, recreate the series in mini. It could probably be done in either rF2 or AC.

Title: Re: After the Lotus series.....
Post by: Guy on October 26, 2015, 08:44:54 am
I like that idea, but in AC.  We'd have to find an appropriate car for it.  But I did like the Spark and Eve in rF2
Title: Re: After the Lotus series.....
Post by: Tig_green on October 26, 2015, 11:00:22 am
I will also stick to AC and rf2. Is there any good historic content to AC? Don't remember too many historic tracks or cars. I would assume historic stuff is more popular among rf2 players than with AC players.
Title: Re: After the Lotus series.....
Post by: Chad Brown on October 26, 2015, 03:04:41 pm
The Lotus Type 49 is the classic open wheeler in AC that is similar to the Eve and Spark in rF2.

http://www.assettocorsa.net/classic-team-lotus-type-49/

The 1967 Gran Prix season had 11 races on 11 different tracks. They are in order:

Kyalami
Monaco
Zandvoort
Spa-Francorchamps
Le Mans (Bugatti Circuit)
Nurburgring
Mosport Park
Monza
Watkins Glen
Magdelena Mixhuca

We can pick the top 4-5 tracks to use for the series. If possible the classic tracks would be fantastic. I only know of the classic 1966 Monza track as stock in AC so the rest of the classic version tracks would have to be modded material. Otherwise we can use the modern equivalents in AC.

I looked over at Race department and found a 1988 version of Monaco. It has not been tested yet but has been getting good reviews.



Title: Re: After the Lotus series.....
Post by: Guy on October 26, 2015, 06:07:34 pm
The Lotus 49 is a LOT of car to start off with for open wheelers!  I don't know if a full 11 races would work, but we could race the ones we could find and mix in the modern equivalents like Chad said

-Some version of Monaco
-Zandy modern
-Spa modern or an historic if they have it
-Nurbs modern
-Monza 66
-The Glen

One major thing I like in AC over rF2 is that they force you to use the h-shifter and there's a penalty if you use flappy paddles.  One prob with rF2 is that there's a penalty for a h-shifter (the h-shifter....) so usually people use paddles because there is only the advantage of perfect quick shifts every time and NO downside at all.  Plus in rF2 the clutch is a joke, in AC you have to use it.

I like where this is going!  Finally a car that takes skill to operate, more than just racing lines and race craft.
Title: Re: After the Lotus series.....
Post by: Chad Brown on October 26, 2015, 10:13:34 pm
Well on Durges server he does not allow ANY assists. If you don't heel toe, or at least lift properly you will spin. It made for a very interesting race at Bathurst. I suspect that the same will be true in AC. It should be a good series to get people to work on their clutch work.
Title: Re: After the Lotus series.....
Post by: ProtoSpecs on November 01, 2015, 09:22:33 am
The Lotus 49 is a nice car. With all aids turned off for realism IMO.
Not sure if a considerably more difficult car like that is good for 40 min of (close) racing.
Only one way to find out I guess..

TBH I never even tried out every car in AC yet.
Whatever it's going to be I hope it's not a car that gives a (huge) penalty to drivers that have no clutch pedal. (DFGT here)
Like the Nissan GT3 for instance. Participating in qualifying with that car is almost pointless when 100% certain I wont be in the top 6 first corner.
Or worse when on a longer straight.

Perhaps we could experiment a little with different combinations at certain times?


I bought P-cars yesterday, for less than half the steam price.
Fun game. But no AC or rF2 beater to me.
Nor were the graphics much better than AC as I had read.
Different,   not (obviously) better looking as I expected, but the tarmac perhaps, and some more variety with spectators and such.
(Both games run with all on max but shadows and  reflex update. Max SMAA instead of FXAA)

Still I would love to race the Karts in P-cars with some of you one day
 

Title: Re: After the Lotus series.....
Post by: Tig_green on November 02, 2015, 04:42:39 pm
I hate heel-and-toe so not sure what to think. I have tried it in the past but it has always ended for not having enough energy or time to learn it. So for that reason, I'm not sure if I would participate in your **** season.
Title: Re: After the Lotus series.....
Post by: Guy on November 03, 2015, 06:27:33 am
What do you guys think of this?

12 races in your 2016 career. 

-First 4 are with the Mak-Corp IFS3 http://mak-corp.com.au/index.php/component/k2/item/65-ifs3-08-v0-62-for-ac

-Progress to the next 4 races with the Lotus Exos http://www.assettocorsa.net/lotus-exos-t125/
the 4th race would be with the S1 upgrade

-Then finish your career with 4 races in the retro Lotus 49.

Each car would be a mini-season and would have a champ.  There would be a champ overall also (like we did the points series last year)
Title: Re: After the Lotus series.....
Post by: cc570 on November 03, 2015, 07:30:01 am
Personally, I have no interest in driving (much less racing) a modern open wheel car.
The Lotus 49 I would participate.
Title: Re: After the Lotus series.....
Post by: Tig_green on November 04, 2015, 12:57:50 am
I like the idea of career type mini-championship. Not sure about those cars. I guess DLC cars are not an option? F3 would be cool imo but maybe we try to find an option that we all agree...
Title: Re: After the Lotus series.....
Post by: Chad Brown on November 04, 2015, 01:25:33 am
DLC would not be an option for me as I chose not to purchase the DLC content. Maybe I've been spoiled by rF and rF2, but buying DLC for a moddable game seems wrong. Of course the counter argument is that I payed for the URD mod in rF2. And it would be a valid point. However, I found nothing in the current DLC packs (1 or 2) that was compelling enough to spend my hard earned and often unavailable money on.
Title: Re: After the Lotus series.....
Post by: Guy on November 04, 2015, 09:01:38 pm
Instead of the Mak Corp F3, the Taatus Formula Abarth.  It's a low power open wheeler that is stock content.
Title: Re: After the Lotus series.....
Post by: cc570 on November 17, 2015, 09:27:44 am
Peugeot 504 on a series of shorter tracks.  The car is hard to drive fast while easy to drive slow.  Most smiles per MPH in the game.  (Except my modified R8 Gordini  ;D )  also the Porsche 550 speedster would be a great old car to race.
Title: Re: After the Lotus series.....
Post by: Chad Brown on November 22, 2015, 03:01:50 pm
It appears that AC is not the Sim we will be moving forward with so we need to get our plan of attack together for the future.

The low turnout reinforced my belief that AC is not where it is at for league style racing. I have discussed re-starting the rF2 league (See here - http://vscr.createaforum.com/rfactor-2/re-starting-of-rf2-league/) Guy is likely going to move on with his plan for PCars (http://vscr.createaforum.com/project-cars/pcars-retro-series-not-another-dry-track-cookie-cutter-series/?topicseen) and I wish him the best of luck. Both series will be run under the VSCR banner. If someone else wants to continue running AC as a VSCR league event that would be great, however, I dont believe it will be either Guy or me.

I believe we can run multiple series on multiple sims. Guy has shown that he has the drive and experience to run a league. I expect that PCars will have a growing following. I think I can offer alot of skills that will be attractive to the league in rF2. Hopefully we can get the new series and schedules worked out so the people who want to take part in both series can.

If anyone has suggestions now is the time to speak up. Lets build this league and plan for the future. VSCR has been around for a couple years now and with good leadership and skillful execution of our plans we should continue to grow.

VSCR. The best place for clean and competitive racing.
Title: Re: After the Lotus series.....
Post by: Guy on November 22, 2015, 03:15:17 pm
We should consider keeping an AC pubby MR server for A + B ratings only.  At least we keep a presence in AC.
Title: Re: After the Lotus series.....
Post by: Tig_green on November 23, 2015, 01:32:04 am
I have understood that it's not that easy to keep server open without some management. Not worth the hussle I think. There are plenty of "pubby" servers in AC anyway. If we are not going to use it for our league races then what's the point. Better use your energy elsewhere.
Title: Re: After the Lotus series.....
Post by: Chad Brown on November 23, 2015, 03:36:12 am
I agree with Matt. I am not entirely sure my computer will handle 24/7 servers for Teamspeak, rF1, rF2, and AC + MR. I could be completely wrong. I dont see any benefit to having an AC server online. The one we had up was only visited by our members, and very infrequently at that. I'm not inclined to maintain an AC server simply to keep a presence in AC. we can agree on a pubby server to invade if we feel the overwhelming need to play AC. Also the MR service has a central repository, so your MR ranking moves from server to server with you.
Title: Re: After the Lotus series.....
Post by: Guy on November 23, 2015, 11:54:43 am
It'd be nice if MR came to rF2.
Title: Re: After the Lotus series.....
Post by: Chad Brown on November 23, 2015, 01:04:22 pm
I completely agree. MR has been a fantastic piece of software for AC. I thought there was something like it already (rFactor Rank or something). I'll have to look into it.
Title: Re: After the Lotus series.....
Post by: cc570 on November 23, 2015, 04:01:50 pm
Slightly off topic, but is there something akin to Minolin's Helicorsa app for rF2?
Title: Re: After the Lotus series.....
Post by: Chad Brown on November 23, 2015, 06:38:40 pm
My Understanding is that there is no equivalent to MR for rF2. I would hope that once it has been developed for AC it will be moved over. However, I suspect that some of the issues may be the data that the program needs to have access to. But rF2 is pretty much and open book so this may not be an issue at all.

It may be more that there is not nearly as much online pickup racing happening in rF2 compared to AC so there is no reason to have an MR like rating system.
Title: Re: After the Lotus series.....
Post by: Guy on November 23, 2015, 10:48:58 pm
the caliber of driver in rF2 tends to be a little better anyway